I've never gotten anything about abortion out of this song. I think maybe the reason people connect the song with abortion is because of the "pro choice" slogan and it's broad use in today's society. If you're as big of a Steinbeck buff as me Especially East of Eden-- it's like the bible but better , you connect the word choice with Timshel first, East of Eden second, your life third, and abortion maybe sixteenth or seventeenth. This song is beautifully written and is a great description of the power in the word that is it's title.
If you love East of Edent it's because "timshel" changed your life. In the novel, timshel was used specifically as a blessing- a choice given to a son by a father. One could choose to be good or evil. The character of Samuel Hamilton takes the meaning of the word even further. In context with that character, it means that you can choose whether or not you're going to accept things about yourself as good or evil qualities. Ultimately,"timshel" means that you can be what you want to be- good, evil, different, conformist, optomistic, pessimistic, inventive, strict, enthusiastic.
Timshel sets you free. This song talks about "timshel" in the sense that it was explored in the novel the foundation for it's extended meaning and importance. Here's my breakdown: Cold is the water it freezes your already cold heart The world is a cold place and it increases your tendency to be cold along with it.
And death is at your doorstep And it will steal your innocence But it will not steal your substance Death is immenent. Humans realize this immenance and lose the innocent part of themselves that indulges in life without fear of death. But, at the same time, death's immenance creates a purpose for your life and provides a motive for personal substance.
And you are not alone in this And you are not alone in this As brothers we will stand and hold your hand hold your hand I think that this is an allusion to the brotherly bonds in the book. Both Adam and Charles and Aron and Caleb had odd brotherhoods.
They had rivalry so intense the it drove them to opposite ends of a spectrum of good and evil at least in the eyes of the reader- and not really with Caleb but they were always a partnership- loyal to one another. Maybe this line is a call to help your brother and not let the rivalry hinder your support for one another on life's journey. She is a symbol for evil. There is absolutely no good in her anywhere. But you have your choices And these are what make men great His ladder to the stars This is actually an almost direct quote by one of the characters, Lee.
I don't know how they got away with that. It is an allusion to the meaning of the word and the song. Right before Lee says this, he says that "timshel" is "possibly the most important word in the world. You have your choices. We are inately evil but we don't have to be. We can rise above our evil and be something bigger, in a league with supreme individuals, in the presence of God Himself some day. With repitition of the chorus, we are reminded that we can help each other in acheiving this ultimate goal.
General Comment This song is a unique way of speaking to a women with an unwanted pregnancy. The lyrics speak to someone in a bleak situation 'Cold is the water, it freezes your already cold mind' and acknowledges that a life hangs in the balance 'death is at your doorstep.
The women can become great and help move towards heaven by making the right choice. So yes, the women has the choice. The law and politics are irrelevant. BUT, one's choices are of profound personal and spiritual consequence.
Good lord I never saw it this way. This interpretation is gorgeous DoctorWhom on October 23, Nicely put, but that's reading way too much into it. It's all based on the novel East of Eden by John Steinbeck. Marcus Mumford accounts for this in an interview.. It is not that topical and is not addressing a female individual. Your children are your actions and their consequences. Your innocents is lost as the wages of sin is death.
Your spiritual values are your only substance which transcends life. MrPhipps on March 13, That's what I thought too JustynaN on May 26, My Opinion this is such a beautiful song. Song Meaning I think that it is about someone who is feeling really numb and doesn't have any motivation in life, 'death is at your doorstep, and it will steal your innocence, but it will not steal your substance, you are not alone in this" it means that you are so close to giving up, death being at your door step, and it has stolen your innocent mind, so things that you believed when you were little, like getting married and love and all that stuff that we get told is true by our parents, it's all gone and you don't believe in it so whats the point, they are saying that whoever this person is, they are not the only one who feels that way and they will do whatever they can to fix them, but "i won't move the mountain, for you" essentially is saying that whoever this person is, they have to cooperate in getting themselves back on track i have always found that mumford and sons are really clever at using metaphors in their lyrics, and this line especially, gets me everytime!
General Comment I first encountered this song quite randomly whilst coaching a dear friend through a decision about an unexpected pregnancy, and it perfectly captured the issues and dilemas, and the sense of support I was trying to convey in helping her make her own decisions.
Not by influencing the outcome, but by helping her find what would ultimately be in her own best interests and cause the least regret faced with dificult choices. When I heard it, it reduced me to tears. What a perfect expression of the situation and the freindship I was trying to convey. She made the choice to keep the baby, and I know its the right decision for her.
I'll never forget this song. Hand-holding Brother on January 14, Link. Hand-holding Brother. General Comment damn someone already wrote that whitlock on October 28, Link. Artists - M. Timshel is found on the album Sigh No More. And I feel that a man is a very important thing—maybe more important than a star. This is not theology. I have no bent toward gods. But I have a new love for that glittering instrument, the human soul.
It is a lovely and unique thing in the universe. It puts the song in a whole new light. You are commenting using your WordPress. You are commenting using your Google account. You are commenting using your Twitter account. You are commenting using your Facebook account. Notify me of new comments via email. Notify me of new posts via email. I wondered what the original word of the original writer had been that these very different translations could be made… The American Standard translation orders men to triumph over sin, and you can call sin ignorance.
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